Curse

Spazzer · Dec 02, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Spike

The only reason Vahn roi and others do not want this nerfed is so they can be one of the VERY VERY VERY few who can get the gems and then rip people off for millions of gold when they sell them.

Nah. He can't get any farther than anyone else. It's just his devils advocate stance on things.

Amity and Truth · Dec 02, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Spike

The only reason Vahn roi and others do not want this nerfed is so they can be one of the VERY VERY VERY few who can get the gems and then rip people off for millions of gold when they sell them

1. I do not trade anymore.
2. "VERY VERY VERY few"? Provide proof for your numbers.
3. No one is forcing you

Spike · Dec 02, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

1. I do not trade anymore.
2. "VERY VERY VERY few"? Provide proof for your numbers.
3. No one is forcing you

1 So what, just because you don't does'nt mean other people would'nt
2 Can you read? I assume not as if you had read this thread you would of seen as much proof as you need.
3 I never said I would buy them or even want them. But some people will and do. So why should a very small group of people have the ability to rip others off.

w00t! · Dec 02, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by thorion

I wonder how well a team all with LB'sGaze 5 or higher would do when they use the skill on a called target at the same time.
Must be a heavy spike dmg killing target immediately and bringing some heavy dmg to rest of foes.
Is this the trick that makes it possible for random groups to be successful?

Actually, I think that's a great idea. After trying balanced / trapper / barrage-pet with varying degrees of success, I think that balanced where everyone has Lightbringer 3+ is the best way to go for PUG.

Another possibility is a 600 monk with 2 support monks overlapping spirit bond to tank, and a balanced team to support?

Contempt · Dec 02, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Unfair challenge level? How do you get that? I ran my dervish through with nothing but henchies and heros and had no problem. I used the Melandru form, too bad for those touchers, and pretty much a standard dervish tanking build. My heros were set up Jin for interrupts, Dunkoro as protection and hex removal, and The Master of Whispers as an MM. It wasn't ridiculously easy no but the challenge level was just right. I had to take it slow and pick my battles instead of rushing headlong at ever group but it is doable I didn't even use my lightbringer skills.

Well this has bullshit written all over it. You can't even take henches through there. It's pretty friggen sad when people have to lie about a game just to validate themselves...

Nay, it's pathetic.

aohige · Dec 02, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Zexion

Know what the funnt thing about that group is? It doesn't use ANY of the chapter specific professions, and it even uses a profession from outside that chapter xD

_Zexion

Yes, that does seem rather ironic, that we had no D or P in our team, even though this is NightFall elite mission

The only reason for not bring P though, was because of Vocal Minority in those Margonite areas. In Stygian, we did bring a P actually, and got pretty far.

....only to face a wipe from a very badly positioning.
But we're getting the hang of it, it seems perfectly doable

Minwanabi · Dec 02, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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So why should a very small group of people have the ability to rip others off.

Because they're better at this game than you...

Avarre · Dec 02, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by aohige

But we're getting the hang of it, it seems perfectly doable

Agree, every time I try the areas I get further, just take it slow and it's not actually that hard.

Spike · Dec 02, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Minwanabi

Because they're better at this game than you...

Being better than someone has nothing to do with riping people off. I'm sure if i wanted to waste 00's of hours to get said gems I could. But I have better things to do with my in game time.

Zinger314 · Dec 02, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Enrage need to be removed completely. I got hit for 320 from an Invoke Lightning, another party member got hit for 420.

I think an active Prot Spirit is necessary.

In the meantime, /cry.

Ninna · Dec 02, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Illusion Thunder

Ok i'm just wondering but because of the extreme numbers of groups wouldn't an invinci monk work that uses enchantments and Shadow form be able to try. I'm not saying that it would work cause i've only just started playing as a monk but i'm just wondering.

this was posted earlier

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Originally Posted by noocoo

Finally, our guilde team killed the first boss
http://i17.tinypic.com/4ide714.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/4ckcrc1.jpg
After killing the boss, there is a chest that each team member can get gem from it.

Our build:

Assasin (Shadow form tank)
Rt (Soul Twister+ Shelter)
2Mo (WoH and Divert hexes)
Me (Spiritual pain, surge, mistrust, interupt)
E (SH+MS fire nuker)
N/Mo (SS curse)
N/Mo (BiP)

This build is not so great but can work.

the guild team that Noocoo used to kill the 1st boss -- included monk hero, Dunkoro

MithranArkanere · Dec 02, 2006, 06:06 PM // 18:06

Razah is not an special hero.
Is not worth 4 of those gems.

You can unlok it in PvP just by 6000 faction.

Acquistion of a ritualist hero shoud have been in Factions like the assain, another mesmer should have been in Prophecies, next chapter shoud have one of each of it sprofessions and Razah should have been really a Varaible Hero.

At the end those gems would be sold by 100k+some ectos and there will be farming parties in the area provinding gems to others, thus getting insanelly amounts of cash, and that will get harder/nerfed due to that.

dwc89 · Dec 02, 2006, 06:09 PM // 18:09

I said in an earlier post that it looks doable, as are all other quests & missions in game.

What I'm finding amusing is Anets take on farming/selling of late. And now they introduce a 4 part quest to just be able to do a quest to get a hero that requires 1 of each new gem. I won't even discuss the new weapon skins.

Since I haven't read or heard about any new greens coming out of this yet, I'd be guessing to say there will be any. I can imagine the asking price for so & so's X weapon = 100k + 100+ ecto.

To not be your average player, have countless hours to play, ignore the "you've been playing for X# of hours: please take a break" message - sleeping, eating and actually using a toilet instead of an empty bottle, not running on whatever your choice of stimulant is,- I believe what this message is intended for. This is the reward for putting up with sub-standard gameplay for the last little while - meant for the avg player.

I suppose we will see how empty the "Gate of Anguish" becomes in a couple of weeks - read Urgoz and the Deep. The problem with this one is that it probably matters to more ppl than the factions elites, if so Anet will lose more than it gains.

Here is to hoping that "Every" class in GWs is able to get through this.
Time will tell.

Anyway - working on getting necro , tank, ele, & Rt through NF. Ranger already through, and have tried the Domain - need good group.

ign - Huntress Velasca

Well99 · Dec 02, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Razah is not an special hero.
Is not worth 4 of those gems.

You can unlok it in PvP just by 6000 faction.

Acquistion of a ritualist hero shoud have been in Factions like the assain, another mesmer should have been in Prophecies, next chapter shoud have one of each of it sprofessions and Razah should have been really a Varaible Hero.

At the end those gems would be sold by 100k+some ectos and there will be farming parties in the area provinding gems to others, thus getting insanelly amounts of cash, and that will get harder/nerfed due to that.

I am curious why save till after you are finished with the game.I like to use heroes to go thru the whole game.The fun part is from start to finish.Afterwards I just putter around.Unless by unlocking allows your chrs who havent finished the game to be able to use.
I do want to knock out the elite just for GP but it would be disappointing if other chrs cant use the Rit in the course of the game....oh well

Minwanabi · Dec 02, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

I love how noocoo, who we can probably safely acknowledge is one of the first few groups to finish this area used an assassin, a ritualist, a mesmer, and a monk hero, all in the same party. Honestly, that negates roughly 50% of the complaints in this thread, it's truly poetic.

Maxiemonster · Dec 02, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Maybe something like this can duo DoA?

55 R/E, 16 (12+3+1) Wilderniss Survival, 12 Earth Magic
Obsidian Flesh [Elite], Quickening Zephyr, Serpent's Quickness (maybe add some random earth spells for extra damage)

Smiting Mo/X, 14 (11+3) Smiting Prayers, 14 (10+3+1) Protection Prayers, 13 Divine Favor (10+3)
Shield of Absorption, Protective Spirit, Blessed Aura (add smiting skills of your preference, and maybe Spirit Bond if you want to)

No, I haven't tried, no, I have no idea if this will work. You can't be targeted by spells and you take 0 damage at all times though, can't really go wrong, right?

Amity and Truth · Dec 02, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Spike

1 So what, just because you don't does'nt mean other people would'nt

And even if, it's THEIR decision, not yours. Besides, my point was that your generalisation is void.

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2 Can you read? I assume not as if you had read this thread you would of seen as much proof as you need.

Flame some more please. Whining will get you through oO
What i have seen in this thread is a lot of people arguieing about it, and also a lot of people who have offered hints on how to complete it. I don't take that as 99% of Guildwars (like someone stated) or very very very few. It's actually a lot if you count it up to the whole GW population (you know, it'S just a minority posting here or in other boards).
Fact is, you don't have the numbers and i do neither. Only A-Net has and if it's really just 99%, they will change it.

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3 I never said I would buy them or even want them. But some people will and do. So why should a very small group of people have the ability to rip others off.

The market is dictated by sellers and BUYERS. No one is ripping you off, no one forces you to buy it. Just as with the FOW, you can earn it yourself. The stats are not better than anything else, you don't need, but you want it now and you don'T care how.

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Maxie
9 in Wilderness Survival is enough to keep Obsidian Flesh active for as long as you wish, i posted it somewhere earlier and others made builds out of it. You don't need QZ in that (unless it's for something i overlooked ^^).

A problem though i could see is, the enemies use interrupts and the warriors even knockdowns. Probably a hard time to get your OF through.

Ulivious The Reaper · Dec 02, 2006, 06:41 PM // 18:41

so i guess b/p don't work :P

Maxiemonster · Dec 02, 2006, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

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Maxie
9 in Wilderness Survival is enough to keep Obsidian Flesh active for as long as you wish, i posted it somewhere earlier and others made builds out of it. You don't need QZ in that (unless it's for something i overlooked ^^).

A problem though i could see is, the enemies use interrupts and the warriors even knockdowns. Probably a hard time to get your OF through.

How would you do that? You need 16 Wilderness Survival and QZ to keep Serpent's Quickness on non-stop, which you'll need non-stop to keep Obsidian Flesh up.

And I haven't really looked at the skills, so I guess you're right. Knockdowns can be fully countered with Ward of Stability (which can be maintained with Serpent's Quickness), but interupts would indeed own you.

It'd be a shame though, Sliver Armor + AoE smite would own.

The Great Al · Dec 02, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

I think this is Anet's answer to a dead economy...if there are new greens, for a long time they will probably go for 100k + ectos...a bunch of gems will also be more expensive than ecto probably....up until yesterday there was nothing in this game save for crystallines and a few other tank weapons that were even worth a lot...so I can't complain about new expensive weapons.